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		<title>Podence: Created page with &quot;* Attendance: 11 * Lead by Phil Odence * Minutes of Sept meeting approved    == Guest Presentation - Alexander Lisianoi ==  * Background ** Working on masters in Technical Uni...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;* Attendance: 11 * Lead by Phil Odence * Minutes of Sept meeting approved    == Guest Presentation - Alexander Lisianoi ==  * Background ** Working on masters in Technical Uni...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Attendance: 11&lt;br /&gt;
* Lead by Phil Odence&lt;br /&gt;
* Minutes of Sept meeting approved &lt;br /&gt;
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== Guest Presentation - Alexander Lisianoi ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Background&lt;br /&gt;
** Working on masters in Technical University of Vienna&lt;br /&gt;
* Project&lt;br /&gt;
** Turning Python Code into Javascript&lt;br /&gt;
*** Pooling PY and License expression&lt;br /&gt;
*** Libraries that are self contained&lt;br /&gt;
*** Initially looked easy&lt;br /&gt;
** Results&lt;br /&gt;
*** It works!&lt;br /&gt;
** How it went&lt;br /&gt;
*** Long list of tools available, so choosing a tool is the first step&lt;br /&gt;
**** Brython, Batavia, Transcript&lt;br /&gt;
**** Brython can read in pure Python&lt;br /&gt;
**** Bytavia uses Python byte code&lt;br /&gt;
**** Transcript actually translates to javacode, so he picked that one&lt;br /&gt;
***** Downside is that it doesn’t handle every Python capability&lt;br /&gt;
*** Encountered a lot of bizarre results&lt;br /&gt;
**** And complained a fair amount&lt;br /&gt;
**** Tricky to know what goes wrong; have to debug both in parallel&lt;br /&gt;
**** Errors can be subtle&lt;br /&gt;
**** How things are compared differs between languages&lt;br /&gt;
** The resulting tool&lt;br /&gt;
*** You can parse, but it can be broken&lt;br /&gt;
** Value of the work&lt;br /&gt;
*** Javascript is very commonly used for front ends these days&lt;br /&gt;
*** You don’t want to have to support two technologies for front and back end&lt;br /&gt;
*** This allows leveraging the backend scripts for building front end&lt;br /&gt;
*** Valuable to tool developers using JS and to development communities&lt;br /&gt;
*** As a side-effect of the work, we Alexander helped &lt;br /&gt;
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== Tech Team Report - Kate/Gary ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Spec&lt;br /&gt;
** All on GItHub now&lt;br /&gt;
* Last few meetings have been focused on&lt;br /&gt;
** FSF proposal&lt;br /&gt;
*** Supporting legal team on expanding license expression language&lt;br /&gt;
** Testing work from Jack&lt;br /&gt;
*** Tool testing cases&lt;br /&gt;
**** Scanners for locating license language&lt;br /&gt;
**** License language matchers (using matching guidelines)&lt;br /&gt;
*** Also testing license list generator&lt;br /&gt;
**** Which requires test cases as well&lt;br /&gt;
*** Looking at creating a repo for all test cases&lt;br /&gt;
**** Two tool types &lt;br /&gt;
**** License list gen&lt;br /&gt;
*** Will be community based so folks can contribute cases&lt;br /&gt;
* Preview&lt;br /&gt;
** Looks like there will be a new tool contribution from an LF member&lt;br /&gt;
** A tool to create a summary &lt;br /&gt;
*** Input SPDX tag value; output easy to read/intrerpret format&lt;br /&gt;
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* LinuxCon Europe&lt;br /&gt;
** There will be a meeting for those creating tools&lt;br /&gt;
** New testing work with be on the agenda&lt;br /&gt;
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== Legal Team Report - Jilayne/Paul ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* FSF Proposal &lt;br /&gt;
** For how the GPL version is represented&lt;br /&gt;
** Questions about new operators, default&lt;br /&gt;
** Generated a large meeting with tech folks&lt;br /&gt;
*** Lively discussion&lt;br /&gt;
*** Did not reach resolution&lt;br /&gt;
** FSF has come back with another proposal&lt;br /&gt;
*** Technical challenges&lt;br /&gt;
*** Difference of opinion, particularly for case where&lt;br /&gt;
*** Part of the issue is that FSF is focused on just the identifiers vs. how we use with SPDX&lt;br /&gt;
**** License does not specify “or later” or “only”&lt;br /&gt;
**** How do we represent without representing legal judgment&lt;br /&gt;
**** Fundamentally there are different opinions on what it means when there is no specification&lt;br /&gt;
**** Very important to FSF (including Richard Stallman)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outreach Team Report - Jack  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Mostly license test file work as described above&lt;br /&gt;
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== Attendees ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Phil Odence, Black Duck&lt;br /&gt;
* Kate Stewart, Linux Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
* Alexander Lisianoi, Technical University of Vienna&lt;br /&gt;
* Matthew Crawford, ARM&lt;br /&gt;
* Matija Suklje, FSFE&lt;br /&gt;
* Steve Winslow, Linux Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
* Mike Dolan, Linux Foundation&lt;br /&gt;
* Jack Manbeck, TI&lt;br /&gt;
* Michael Herzog- nexB&lt;br /&gt;
* Gary O’Neall, SourceAuditor&lt;br /&gt;
* Paul Madick, Dimension Data&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:General|Minutes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Minutes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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